JohnDoo
2023-08-05 20:37:35 UTC
Turkic peoples and related
groups migrated west from
Turkestan and present-day
Mongolia towards Eastern
Europe, the Iranian plateau and
Anatolia (modern Turkey) in many
waves. ... Later Turkic peoples
include the Karluks (mainly 8th
century), Uyghurs, Kyrgyz, Oghuz
(or Guz) Turks, and Turkmens.
Where did the Turkish people
come from?
The Yakut themselves are a
Turkic group situated to the north
of Mongolia. The more southerly
and central Asian affinities the
nomadic ancestors of the
Anatolia Turks may have picked
up in their sojourns over the
centuries between their original
homeland in east-central Siberia
and Mongolia and West Asia.
What is the race of Turkish
people?
The Turkish people are
composed of various ethnic
types, ranging from Caucasoid to
Northern Mongoloid. Turks are
part of the family of Turkic
peoples which includes the
modern nations of Turkey,
Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and
Uzbekistan.
What is the ethnicity of a person
from Turkey?
Turkish people (Turkish: Türk
ulusu), or the Turks (Turkish:
Türkler), also known as Anatolian
Turks (Turkish: Anadolu Türkleri),
are a Turkic ethnic group and
nation living mainly in Turkey and
speaking Turkish, the most widely
spoken Turkic language.
===========================
===
from genetics :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish
_people
According to a 2012 study on
ethnic Turkish people, "Turkish
population has a close genetic
similarity to Middle Eastern and
European populations and some
degree of similarity to South
Asian and Central Asian
populations."[2] At K = 3 level,
using individuals from the Middle
East (Druze and Palestinian),
Europe (French, Italian, Tuscan
and Sardinian) to obtatin a more
representative database for
Central Asia (Uygur, Hazara and
Kyrgyz), clustering results
indicated that the contributions
were 45%, 40% and 15% for the
Middle Eastern, European and
Central Asian populations,
respectively. For K = 4 level,
results for paternal ancestry were
38% European, 35% Middle
Eastern, 18% South Asian and 9%
Central Asian. K= 7 results of
paternal ancestry were 77%
European, 12% South Asian, 4%
Middle Eastern, 6% Central Asian.
However, Hodoglugil et al.
caution that results may indicate
previous population movements
(e.g. migration, admixture) or
genetic drift, given Europe and
South Asia have some genetic
relatedness.[2] The study
indicated that the Turkish genetic
structure is unique, and
admixture of Turkish people
reflects the population migration
patterns.[2] Among all sampled
groups, the Adygei population
(Circassians) from the Caucasus
was closest to the Turkish
samples.[2]
A group of Armenian scientists
conducted a study about the
origins of the Turkish people in
relation to Armenians. Savak
Avagian, director of Armenia's
bone marrow bank, found that
Turks and Armenians were the
two societies throughout the
world that were genetically close
to each other. Kurds are also in
the same genetic pool.[31]
Other studies revealed that the
peoples of the Caucasus
(Georgians, Circassians,
Armenians) are the closest to the
Turkish population among
sampled European (French,
Italian), Middle Eastern (Druze,
Palestinian), and Central (Kyrgyz,
Hazara, Uygur), South (Pakistani),
and East Asian (Mongolian, Han)
populations.[2][32][33][34]
According to one autosomal
analysis, the Turkish genetic pool
falls within the following
categories: 38% Caucasian, 11%
European early farmers, 7%
European hunter-gatherers, 14%
South Central Asians, 10% Near
Eastern, 3% Ancestral Altaic, 5%
Tungus Altaic, 3% East Siberian,
2% South East Asian, 3% North
African, 1% Arctic, 1% South
Indian, 1% Austronesian.[35] The
category Caucasus also consists
the largest part of the genetics of
several Turkic peoples, including
the Turkmens.
East Eurasian admixture solely
ranges from 0-3% in Eastern
Turkey (which has a
Kurdish-majority population in
some provinces), through 6-9% in
Central Anatolia, to 13-18% in
Western Anatolia.[36]
===========================
==
I see two types of Turks,
Is that all?
I see about over 40
different types of Turks , of the
top of my head.
Lets see starting from Eastern
Europe and Anatolia there are
Gagauz, Bulgarians Turks,
Dobrujan Tatars, Turks of Greece,
Cypriot Turks, Anatolian Turks,
Iraqi Turkomans and the Crimean
Tatars. In Western Asia and the
Northern Caucasus region,
Azeris, Iranian Azeris, Khalaj,
Qashqai, Iranian Turkmen, Balkar
and Karachay, Nogay, and the
Kumuk. In Central Asia theres
Afghani Uzbeks, Afghani
Turkmen, Uzbeks, Turkmen,
Qazaqs, Karakalpaks, Kyrgyz,
Uyghurs, Salars, Sari Yugurs. In
the Volga Ural region there are
Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvash,
Siberian Tatars. In Southern
Siberia there are Shors, Altay Kiji,
Telengit, Teleut, Tuba, Kumandi,
Chalkandu, Khakas, Tyvans, Tofa,
Tsengel Tuvans and the Dukha.
Finally in Northern Siberia and
Easter China, Sakha, Dolgans and
the Fuyu Kyrgyz.
I know some might think ive
repeated some but the OP asked
about "types". Bulgarian Turks
and Anatolian Turks may speak
the same or similar language but
they are different types of Turks
and have different modern
histories as well as different
identities.
ones that live in central asia who
have an oriental feature to them
tracing them to be direct
decendents of those of Mongolia
and those of Turkey who have a
very Caucasian feature to them.
I was thinking that the original
natives of Anatolia (hitties,
Lydians, etc...) where forced into
speaking turkish when the Seljuk
Turks had control of the area,
which we have noticed to be true
with the Azari's who are of Iranian
origin but were forced into
speaking Turkish.
Can anyone clarify this for me?
Thats far too simplistic. The
changing faces and languages of
Anatolia is a dynamic occurrence
with many factors that should be
taken into consideration.
When we look at genetics
compared to ethnic groups
anywhere in the world we see
similar patterns. Many regions
change ethnicities without
altering the gene pool too much.
Put into an Anatolian context,
some argue that genetic
similarites between Turks of
Western Turkey and Greeks is
evidence that the Turks are
actually Turkish speaking Greeks,
but those same genes were
present in the region before
Greeks got there. So the genes
aren't "Greek" genes, they're
localised genes, genes that are
present in all groups of people no
matter their ethnicity.
When the Turks entered Anatolia
they were far outnumbered by
other peoples living there. Unless
a widescale massacre occurred
then you would expect localised
genes to dominate and Turkic
migration to have a limited affect
on the gene pool as far as gene
flow from central asia is
concerned. This is the case.
Most Turks who entered Anatolia
were also the warriors and
fighters of the statelets that
formed so would have a higher
chance of dying thus
bottlenecking the dna which
came from CA. I would like to
see Mt DNA results from Turkey
to see what picture they would
reveal.
All in all most studies show that
CA DNA account for around
8-20% of the Y DNA of Turkey.
This should be about right given
the reasons i just stated.
Also the Turks ruled supreme in
Anatolia. Since entering they
formed most the statelets and
ultimately the Ottoman Empire.
Its important to understand that
you cant force people to change
their language. UNLESS you take
them away from their own
cultural environment away from
their own people and only teach
them a different language.
Otherwise so long as they have
native speaking mothers, fathers,
friends and neighbours their
language will not change. Any
change in language that took
place would have happened
without force as a result of
Turkish cultural and political
domination.
Devam edelim mi ;)) Hosunuza gittiyse
groups migrated west from
Turkestan and present-day
Mongolia towards Eastern
Europe, the Iranian plateau and
Anatolia (modern Turkey) in many
waves. ... Later Turkic peoples
include the Karluks (mainly 8th
century), Uyghurs, Kyrgyz, Oghuz
(or Guz) Turks, and Turkmens.
Where did the Turkish people
come from?
The Yakut themselves are a
Turkic group situated to the north
of Mongolia. The more southerly
and central Asian affinities the
nomadic ancestors of the
Anatolia Turks may have picked
up in their sojourns over the
centuries between their original
homeland in east-central Siberia
and Mongolia and West Asia.
What is the race of Turkish
people?
The Turkish people are
composed of various ethnic
types, ranging from Caucasoid to
Northern Mongoloid. Turks are
part of the family of Turkic
peoples which includes the
modern nations of Turkey,
Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and
Uzbekistan.
What is the ethnicity of a person
from Turkey?
Turkish people (Turkish: Türk
ulusu), or the Turks (Turkish:
Türkler), also known as Anatolian
Turks (Turkish: Anadolu Türkleri),
are a Turkic ethnic group and
nation living mainly in Turkey and
speaking Turkish, the most widely
spoken Turkic language.
===========================
===
from genetics :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish
_people
According to a 2012 study on
ethnic Turkish people, "Turkish
population has a close genetic
similarity to Middle Eastern and
European populations and some
degree of similarity to South
Asian and Central Asian
populations."[2] At K = 3 level,
using individuals from the Middle
East (Druze and Palestinian),
Europe (French, Italian, Tuscan
and Sardinian) to obtatin a more
representative database for
Central Asia (Uygur, Hazara and
Kyrgyz), clustering results
indicated that the contributions
were 45%, 40% and 15% for the
Middle Eastern, European and
Central Asian populations,
respectively. For K = 4 level,
results for paternal ancestry were
38% European, 35% Middle
Eastern, 18% South Asian and 9%
Central Asian. K= 7 results of
paternal ancestry were 77%
European, 12% South Asian, 4%
Middle Eastern, 6% Central Asian.
However, Hodoglugil et al.
caution that results may indicate
previous population movements
(e.g. migration, admixture) or
genetic drift, given Europe and
South Asia have some genetic
relatedness.[2] The study
indicated that the Turkish genetic
structure is unique, and
admixture of Turkish people
reflects the population migration
patterns.[2] Among all sampled
groups, the Adygei population
(Circassians) from the Caucasus
was closest to the Turkish
samples.[2]
A group of Armenian scientists
conducted a study about the
origins of the Turkish people in
relation to Armenians. Savak
Avagian, director of Armenia's
bone marrow bank, found that
Turks and Armenians were the
two societies throughout the
world that were genetically close
to each other. Kurds are also in
the same genetic pool.[31]
Other studies revealed that the
peoples of the Caucasus
(Georgians, Circassians,
Armenians) are the closest to the
Turkish population among
sampled European (French,
Italian), Middle Eastern (Druze,
Palestinian), and Central (Kyrgyz,
Hazara, Uygur), South (Pakistani),
and East Asian (Mongolian, Han)
populations.[2][32][33][34]
According to one autosomal
analysis, the Turkish genetic pool
falls within the following
categories: 38% Caucasian, 11%
European early farmers, 7%
European hunter-gatherers, 14%
South Central Asians, 10% Near
Eastern, 3% Ancestral Altaic, 5%
Tungus Altaic, 3% East Siberian,
2% South East Asian, 3% North
African, 1% Arctic, 1% South
Indian, 1% Austronesian.[35] The
category Caucasus also consists
the largest part of the genetics of
several Turkic peoples, including
the Turkmens.
East Eurasian admixture solely
ranges from 0-3% in Eastern
Turkey (which has a
Kurdish-majority population in
some provinces), through 6-9% in
Central Anatolia, to 13-18% in
Western Anatolia.[36]
===========================
==
I see two types of Turks,
Is that all?
I see about over 40
different types of Turks , of the
top of my head.
Lets see starting from Eastern
Europe and Anatolia there are
Gagauz, Bulgarians Turks,
Dobrujan Tatars, Turks of Greece,
Cypriot Turks, Anatolian Turks,
Iraqi Turkomans and the Crimean
Tatars. In Western Asia and the
Northern Caucasus region,
Azeris, Iranian Azeris, Khalaj,
Qashqai, Iranian Turkmen, Balkar
and Karachay, Nogay, and the
Kumuk. In Central Asia theres
Afghani Uzbeks, Afghani
Turkmen, Uzbeks, Turkmen,
Qazaqs, Karakalpaks, Kyrgyz,
Uyghurs, Salars, Sari Yugurs. In
the Volga Ural region there are
Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvash,
Siberian Tatars. In Southern
Siberia there are Shors, Altay Kiji,
Telengit, Teleut, Tuba, Kumandi,
Chalkandu, Khakas, Tyvans, Tofa,
Tsengel Tuvans and the Dukha.
Finally in Northern Siberia and
Easter China, Sakha, Dolgans and
the Fuyu Kyrgyz.
I know some might think ive
repeated some but the OP asked
about "types". Bulgarian Turks
and Anatolian Turks may speak
the same or similar language but
they are different types of Turks
and have different modern
histories as well as different
identities.
ones that live in central asia who
have an oriental feature to them
tracing them to be direct
decendents of those of Mongolia
and those of Turkey who have a
very Caucasian feature to them.
I was thinking that the original
natives of Anatolia (hitties,
Lydians, etc...) where forced into
speaking turkish when the Seljuk
Turks had control of the area,
which we have noticed to be true
with the Azari's who are of Iranian
origin but were forced into
speaking Turkish.
Can anyone clarify this for me?
Thats far too simplistic. The
changing faces and languages of
Anatolia is a dynamic occurrence
with many factors that should be
taken into consideration.
When we look at genetics
compared to ethnic groups
anywhere in the world we see
similar patterns. Many regions
change ethnicities without
altering the gene pool too much.
Put into an Anatolian context,
some argue that genetic
similarites between Turks of
Western Turkey and Greeks is
evidence that the Turks are
actually Turkish speaking Greeks,
but those same genes were
present in the region before
Greeks got there. So the genes
aren't "Greek" genes, they're
localised genes, genes that are
present in all groups of people no
matter their ethnicity.
When the Turks entered Anatolia
they were far outnumbered by
other peoples living there. Unless
a widescale massacre occurred
then you would expect localised
genes to dominate and Turkic
migration to have a limited affect
on the gene pool as far as gene
flow from central asia is
concerned. This is the case.
Most Turks who entered Anatolia
were also the warriors and
fighters of the statelets that
formed so would have a higher
chance of dying thus
bottlenecking the dna which
came from CA. I would like to
see Mt DNA results from Turkey
to see what picture they would
reveal.
All in all most studies show that
CA DNA account for around
8-20% of the Y DNA of Turkey.
This should be about right given
the reasons i just stated.
Also the Turks ruled supreme in
Anatolia. Since entering they
formed most the statelets and
ultimately the Ottoman Empire.
Its important to understand that
you cant force people to change
their language. UNLESS you take
them away from their own
cultural environment away from
their own people and only teach
them a different language.
Otherwise so long as they have
native speaking mothers, fathers,
friends and neighbours their
language will not change. Any
change in language that took
place would have happened
without force as a result of
Turkish cultural and political
domination.
Devam edelim mi ;)) Hosunuza gittiyse